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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:59:00 -
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"Repatriate" implies that they are sent back to their home, rather than a completely new nation. While some of the slaves in the butcher's possession might be former Republic nationals, most were probably born and raised in the Empire.
Still, the Republic is a better place for them than in his hands. Keep in mind, however, that the slave butcher uses vitoc on all of his slaves. I don't know how things are today, but I recall Republic healthcare services having issue meeting vitoc demand after Her Imperial Majesty's Emancipation Decree.
Curse those degenerates who in their greed would put slaves up on public markets where vile commoners like the slave butcher can purchase them. They deserved a home under a proper Holder.
I would also lament the deaths of the 2000 that didn't survive. There is nothing merciful about their deaths, and it is disappointing to hear people rationalize it like that. It might be necessary, but it is a tragedy; those 2000 were not saved or given a mercy. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
686
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:11:00 -
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The key word was 'might'. And the issue being that, short of getting the slave butcher to voluntarily release them from his custody, there is no other way to retrieve the slaves from his vessels without destroying them.
And 2000 saved is still better than 0.
Or do you have a better idea? |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
686
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:36:00 -
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A boarding action would likely make him self-destruct the vessel. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:57:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:And what added danger are they in that they're not already in danger of with your guns trained on the hull separating them from space?
They are in danger for as long as they are in his possession. This is what you do not ******* get. Their lives are not spared if he docks. He is planning on killing them all. Each and every Minmatar that he has dies. If their lives are in his hands he will ruin them, period.
Yeah. You should try to scram and web him and bump him off station and all of that. It won't do a lot of good since it relies on him actually caring about losing the ship, but that was the plan if he tried that again. I know because I was sitting there in a cruiser with a microwarpdrive ready to smash him away from the station while the Stormcrows were waiting outside with scrams and webs to hold him down. But we didn't get the chance since the next time he undocked one he just warped it off with instant undock coordinates and blew it up himself a minute later. And before you try more accusations of how people don't care, we immediately tried to scan it down before he could do it, even though we would have been too late anyway, because unlike you in your armchair some of us actually care so much about those lives that we are actually putting ourselves out there and trying even if there's really nothing we can do.
Even if we'd gotten him and he was out of docking range and everything had gone perfectly, all we could do would have been to pray to God that he would jettison the slaves. Which he won't, because he doesn't care. He's got so much ******* money that he destroys his own freighters as part of his sacrifices, what do you ******* think a bestower is worth to him? He's going to blow it up anyway. He won't jettison them because he has no desire for that ******* ship to survive in the first place, he just wants the sick ******* glee in watching other people do the killing for him while they're trying to stop him. He'll self-destruct it if he can't dock, he'll dock it if he can and then blow it up an hour or a day or a week or a month later. The people in it will die, period, because he's a ******* monster.
The one thing that could stop him, is the thing that no one will ever admit to, because all of you love your cloning so damn much. His pod was destroyed. His pod was destroyed but it doesn't matter. He is still out there, still killing slaves, because a new copy of him came off the assembly line. He'll go on and on and keep killing and it doesn't matter if you rescue some or none because he'll just get more and he'll keep killing more until there aren't any left. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
693
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:42:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Do you think you'll get a knock on the door and a pair of officers will arrive to escort you to jail? Does anyone do that when you opt to destroy a jetcan full of people in space, literally right outside the same station? Why do you think that is?
Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
696
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:31:00 -
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Except that I only am willing to receive people. I do not offer enemy POWs in return.
So **** off with the attempted character assassination. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
716
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:36:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:The fleet even began hunting my poor, innocent Industrial pilot and brother, Clytoneus GÇö who was only following orders GÇö gatecamping him and trying to shoot his pod.
He's your brother?
Good to know.
Quote:The worst was yet to come. A representative from Gradient corporation, enemies of the Empire, arrived in system and took possession of the surviving slaves. Yes, that is right GÇö PIE and In Exile were working together to shoot lawful members of the 24th Imperial Crusade and turn any surviving slaves over to GÇö of all people GÇö Gradient. This is treason.
Repeating this doesn't make it any more true. Stormcrows offered their recoveries to Gradient. PIE has not.
But it wouldn't matter whether the recovered slaves stay in the Empire or go to the Republic, they are better off anywhere that is away from you. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
739
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:10:00 -
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We really don't need another slavery conversation here. This **** hasn't been about slavery, it's been about one awful monster doing horrible things to people. No matter where those slaves eventually go, anywhere is better than in the Slave Butcher's hands. Some of them remain with the Empire, some have gone to Gradient and the Republic, and some to Aurora. All of those are better than where they just were. What matters in this situation is that they be given the comfort and care needed in consideration of the trauma they've been through. Their legal status is probably the last thing on their minds right now. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
745
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:29:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:We really don't need another slavery conversation here. This **** hasn't been about slavery, it's been about one awful monster doing horrible things to people. No matter where those slaves eventually go, anywhere is better than in the Slave Butcher's hands. Some of them remain with the Empire, some have gone to Gradient and the Republic, and some to Aurora. All of those are better than where they just were. What matters in this situation is that they be given the comfort and care needed in consideration of the trauma they've been through. Their legal status is probably the last thing on their minds right now. Please excuse me, Ms. Kernher, but I can't agree with everything you have said. Of course, removing peoples from the reach of Mr. Nauplius was indeed good for them (if we forget about those, who have died, of course). But we were discussing what happened with them after this. And I cannot agree that anywhere they will end would be actually be better than just leaving them to be tortured by Mr. Nauplius or killed in a shipwreck by someone, who fights against Mr. Nauplius. For example, this transaction of them into Republic looks for me as putting them out of the frying pan into the fire.My idea, that I was defending, was that they all should have been transferred to Amarr Empire authorities for them to decide their fate.
It looks like that, to you. You have neither been a slave, nor lived in the Republic. I can tell you exactly what the lives of those slaves who get sent to the Republic is, since I have experience with it: They're going to cluster around other former slave communities in rust districts while waiting for social services to give them work. They'll have free access to residence, food, and healthcare, including the psychiatric support a lot of them are going to need. In effect they'll be living exactly like the ones who are staying in the Empire: waiting to be told what to do while their needs are provided for by the government.
So no, it really doesn't matter where they get sent. Both will be infinitely better than where they've just been.
And they were transferred out of Amarr authorities the moment they were put up for sale on the SCC. Frankly, if any Holder is so faithless to put their slaves on that market, where they can fall into the hands of monsters like the Butcher, then those slaves should be filed as emancipated. It's clear that those Holders think their slaves' service to God and Empire is complete or they wouldn't be ignoring Scripture to sell them to commoners and foreigners in public open markets.
That's the fact of the matter: None of those slaves are legally owned by anyone anymore. You can't take them to the authorities and get them sorted, because there is no one to sort them to.
You know what the authorites actually need to do? What they need to do is get this kind of behavior stopped in the first place. The MIO and the TC need to audit the Civic Court and the Kingdom should be Reclaimed, by word or sword or whatever it takes. And any Holder who sells their slaves into the hands of non-Holders should have their titles stripped and their own lines enslaved, just like the Refusards. Every one who has ever done that has blasphemed against the sacred responsibilities they were supposed to uphold.
There's so many blatant heresies going on; that's what the authorities need to be focusing on. The Civic Court, the Kingdom, the 24IC, they all need to have their corruptions purged so that **** like this stops happening. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
748
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:18:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:...
On consulting the empire officals, this is already happened & is the base of the Aurora Arcology slave policy: Any slave found to be property of a legitimate Holder or higher ranking offical will be returned to its master. All other slaves will recieve guidance and, if needed, transported to more suitable organisations.
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Their.
Their master. His or her master.
Slaves are not a ******* it. |
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
748
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:22:00 -
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That's the problem, Ms. Aspenstar. It's not law-breaking. It's perfectly ******* legal even though it shouldn't be.
That's the problem. |
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